AnonyMouse_4562 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Hi, The reception teacher in our unit has been asked to do 10 minutes of handwriting (on sheets) practise everyday, altogether, from the beginning of Reception. They already learn to form the letters through the daily phonics programme. What are others' thoughts about the appropriateness of this? We have lots of other resources in the CP which support the development of fine motor & gross motor skills. Thanks Green Hippo x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_30128 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 i think it sounds like the ideal way of putting children off mark making.....but then what do i know i'm only pre-school!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_20748 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 How sad WORKSHEETS I thought they had moved on, I say stand your ground and promote all the good ways to learn basic letter formation SAVE THE TREES Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_25084 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I agree! I think teaching letter formation in phonics is more than enough! I sometimes put laminated letter formation sheets next to the gloop/shaving foam in the builders tray. This half term we have used the handwriting clips from espresso and the children have written the letter shapes on whiteboards. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I think that correct formation is important - however I don't think sheets are the best way to go, all the children do are join the dots! As you say, lots of opportunities for gross and fine motor skills in the areas. I do have a handwriting session with my class twice a week but we focus on the components needed to form letters, curved lines, zigzags etc. We also use a variety of media - chunky chalks, paint, spaghetti, whiteboards. As long as it is purposeful the children love it! Having said that - some children love those worksheets so you could always put some in your writing area. Chickpea xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_832 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) take alook at the write dance stuff write dance or the pen pals for hand writing scheme- pen pals letter formation without worksheets!!!!!! Edited July 7, 2010 by surfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 How about sending it home? That is what my son's school does, a sheet goes home a few times a week so that parents are encouraging to sound out letters as they are learnt and to get their children practising their letter formation. I don't think there is anything cruel or offputing per se about asking children to trace over a line to practise their handwriting but I don't think it needs to be a defined part of your daily routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_4562 Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Thanks for all your replies. Surfer - we already do Write Dance and have the penpals scheme but Penpals has been abandoned through the rest of the school! I think we might try a compromise of using penpals in Reception until the summer term. SuzieC8 - the reception children already have phonics sheets sent home with letter formation to practise! It just seems totally inappropriate to us and unnecessary with all the other things they do that contribute to fine-motor skills and handwriting. Has anyone got anything evidence-based etc that we could use to back up our side of the argument? Thanks Green Hippo x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I have always been against handwriting done as worksheets, apart from giving them to a few children (either my Year 1s, as have a few weak Y1s each year, or v able Reception) - but only when they are ready for it and when they could write more fluently, and are really keen, but are put off because they are struggling with formation - such as constantly asking how to write a 'd' (for example). Obviously any attempts at letters are celebrated, but some children like to 'do it right', so for them, I have found this works. So this year....... I started doing this with my top few after phonics (which we do in groups, so they had 20 mins of phonics, then when groups swapped, they did their 'sheets' as they call them). They absolutely loved them and although I was only doing it once or twice a week in a no pressure way, they begged for them on other days - strange children!!! So it got to the point that the others wanted them too, and now they all do a sheet after or before phonics. The sheets increase in independency (so only the early ones have dots, although all show (and I recap) correct formation. Their writing has really developed this year and they just love them. I should add that some children began with sand trays, etc, during this time as they just were not ready to do it like this. Feel like I have just had to totally justify that (to myself), but it has helped my children and they have grown in confidence as well as being totally enthusiastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_6008 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 10 minutes is a looong time for young children - my younger son is in Yr 2 and really struggles with the 10 minutes of handwriting every morning. Saying that, there are other issues behind that, and what's caused me to post in this thread is something the occupational therapist said last week - at 7 years and 3 months, he is too set in the (wrong) way he holds his pencil/pen to change it. So... I wouldn't be happy if I had a child in Reception who had to do 10 minutes handwriting every day in case it encouraged bad pencil-holding, but I would be overjoyed at correct pencil-holding practice every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 My children love the Nelson Handwriting blue books for Reception, yet we only do workbooks 1 - 3 and leave the 4th one for the 1st term of Y1. They really try their best to do their work neatly and strive to get the green fox. (yellow = working towards fox, red if... oh, oh, this was a bit difficult fox). Yet, if you really want them to use the correct pencil grip and write with good formation, then one needs to work in small groups and have a close supervision, constantly praising for their good efforts. Otherwise, bad habits are later difficult to correct, be it with the pencil grip or letter formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_4544 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 How about sending it home? That is what my son's school does, a sheet goes home a few times a week so that parents are encouraging to sound out letters as they are learnt and to get their children practising their letter formation. sending it home rarely works unless the parent forms letters in the correct order of movements themselves and sits down with the child and watches closely making sure the pencil is held correctly and the child starts in the correct place and moves the pencil in the correct direction. It normally results in reinforcing bad habits... I think teaching correct letter formation is vital but not with worksheets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 (edited) Penpals for Handwriting: Foundation 1 is good for that, but the Nursery teacher does not like the music. She doesn't find it matches well to the activities. What do you think? Edited September 11, 2010 by SmileyPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_4544 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 So... I wouldn't be happy if I had a child in Reception who had to do 10 minutes handwriting every day in case it encouraged bad pencil-holding, but I would be overjoyed at correct pencil-holding practice every day. Part of teaching handwriting in reception is teaching how to hold a pencil correctly (and that can take 9 of the 10 mins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_6008 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Part of teaching handwriting in reception is teaching how to hold a pencil correctly (and that can take 9 of the 10 mins) So, if you have a child who persists in not holding it correctly, what do you do? The idea to take my son to Occupational therapy came from the Community Peadiatrician when he was in Year 2, not from the school although his Reception teacher knew he had problems with writing in Reception - not that he could not, but that he would not. Of course, we now know that is because it hurt him to hold the pencil as he has some hypermobility. I'm not blaming the Reception teacher - I didn't pick it up either, but in preschool we do not teach handwriting so I don't have the experience with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_79 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 There is an alternative grip whereby you hold the pencil between the index and middle fingers which allows the pencil to be gripped by the thumb and the 2 fingers in a tripod grip without the thumb wrapping over the top. A writing slope can also help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_4544 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 (edited) Pencil grip follows a predictable pattern. This develops from: the basic palmar grasp, where the child wraps all his fingers round the pencil and moves his whole arm to make marks, to the digital finger grasp, where the hand is above the pencil and the child uses the whole arm to manipulate it, to the tripod grasp, with fingers placed near the tip of the pencil with the thumb opposing the fingers, and movement controlled by the fingers. We teach children how to hold a pencil using a tripod grip (froggy fingers) and whenever the child writes/mark makes with an adult they are reminded ( If a child needs reminding about grip, the ‘pinch and swing’ start is recommended. This method requires the child to pick up the pencil by the writing tip. While holding the tip, the child swings the top of the pencil over and onto the back of the hand between the thumb and index finger. This is the natural position for writing. ) how to hold the pencil until it becomes automatic we do lots of finger exercises Activities to develop pencil grip: * Playdough – pinching, squeezing with thumb and forefinger. Who can make the longest snake? (I'm eagerly anticipating Alistair's Dough Gym book in the future?) * Threading – beads, pasta, straws. Let’s all make a necklace. * Picking up small objects – use tweezers and pipettes/eye droppers. How many peas can you put in this pot? * Finger rhymes – stretching, curling fingers. * Water play – using spray toys and spray bottles. Let’s go outside and water the flowers. * Craft activities – glue sticks and paint brushes. Make a collage with lots of fine papers and decorate it with sequins. * Icing cakes – using a plastic dispenser to push and squeeze out the icing. * Strengthening activities – swinging from the climbing frame or grasping to climb and crawl. and generally "nagging" As Susan says a quad grip is considered to be as effective as a tripod grip in writing http://home.earthlink.net/~lmlk/id1.html I don't think Y2 is too late to correct a poor grip but certainly the older the child gets the harder it is to change http://www.sacsa.sa.edu.au/ATT/%7B21AB4BA7...ParentGuide.pdf Edited September 12, 2010 by Marion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_79 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Two useful links, thanks Marion! I can see a lot of awkward grips in m,y new class so will working on that one myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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