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Ratios In Reception Class With Under 5's


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How can it be possible for a reception class teacher to do what's expected with no TA - I have a TA every morning and three afternoons a week - and we can't get everything done. And there is no way that they can be in two places at once - so no chance of having access to indoor and outdoor ... I wouldn't have thought :o

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Yes, 1:30 it is. All the children are within their reception year, from Sept 1 to August 31st so this is the ratio. Reception classes are covered by the current Infant class size legislation which limits class sizes for Reception and KS1 to 30 (unless children are taken on appeal in which case they could be more).

Although the EYFS points out helpfully that this is a minimum it is not a requirement to have an additional adult.

 

This has been completely ducked as an issue by Dame Tickell, as it was ducked by the EYFS 2008. SO: 30 key children, 30 sets of records, 30+ parents to partner, 30 x planning for individual needs.................................... :o

 

CX

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Unfortunately having a TA with a Reception class is a luxury in some schools and yes 1:30 with inside and outside play is a nightmare. As well as Catma says 30 sets of records, 30 learning journeys, 30 parents evening appointments, 30 lots of individual planning .........

 

All Reception teachers feel this is an issue but it is down to individual schools and money :o

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and ours had 1:5 at the worst usually 1:4 seems such an anomaly - but with EYP ratios change even though we woudl never expect to use them it was the way they expect us to pay for having one in the settings..

 

the fact is you grow several arms and bodies because you have a higher qualification.. but then in addition you do get paid more for the privilege..

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Yes, so do mine. Lucky things eh

They are indeed lucky things.......but, unfortunately that has to make this change all the more 'difficult'.......I'm finding this new arrangement at our local Primary hard to understand/accept :o 2 of the children that I am sending will only 'turn 4' in August, 1 of these will I think cope quite well, the other, well, it's literally keeping me awake at night - he really shouldn't be going - if he had been born just 2 days later we would have him for another year......it's all very sad - I feel very worried for him.......mum won't ask for his place to be held over........and Reception class teacher isn't keen on that idea either......mind you she hasn't met him yet - she will do so this week......

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Unless I have understood wrongly, even if he is held back for a while, he will still eventually have to go in with his correct year group, who will have already made friends, and learned a lot, so he wouldn't benefit anyway.

 

I wanted to keep my youngest son back a year, but he would then have to have gone in to year one not reception, and all his peers would then have had a whole year of school, and so he would have been even more behind.

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Unless I have understood wrongly, even if he is held back for a while, he will still eventually have to go in with his correct year group, who will have already made friends, and learned a lot, so he wouldn't benefit anyway.

 

I wanted to keep my youngest son back a year, but he would then have to have gone in to year one not reception, and all his peers would then have had a whole year of school, and so he would have been even more behind.

Yes, you are, of course absolutely right Devondaisy..........if the ratios were more 'favourable' I wouldn't be feeling like this at all.....it's knowing that he needs a lot of TLC and I find it hard to see how he is going to get this - I'm certainly not 'knocking' the school, the class teacher or the TA - they will, I know, do their absolute best for him.......

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well working in a preschool with a maximum of 16 children per session and 4 staff all I can say is I take my hat off to any reception teachers out there with a class of 30 4yr olds with or without a TA I just don't know how you do it. :o

 

more importantly perhaps I think it is fundamentally WRONG that any 4yr old child anywhere should be one of a group of thirty with one or possibly two adults xD:(:(

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It's always been like that though - I never taught less than 30 in most of my 26 years in the classroom, In fact the infant class size legislation was a breath of relief because at least then you were capped at 30. You get used to it but what you can't do is meet the needs of every child all the time. Hence why reception teachers get agitated around children who cannot manage their own hygiene or who have very specific supervisory needs despite what it says in the legislation of the EYFS. They frequently have to sacrifice the needs of the majority to manage the needs of a minority on their own and frankly it just wears you out.

 

It's also a rule of nature that no matter how hard you monitor 30 children changing for a PE session you will always end up with more vests than children.

 

Cx

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Here in Windsor and Maidenhead we have moved to a single intake from this coming September. My setting is closing because of a lack of children, parents locally have not been allocated places at any of their chosen primary schools and five schools in the area have asked for planning permission to build new classrooms to cope with the influx of children which they don't have room for.

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Here in Windsor and Maidenhead we have moved to a single intake from this coming September. My setting is closing because of a lack of children, parents locally have not been allocated places at any of their chosen primary schools and five schools in the area have asked for planning permission to build new classrooms to cope with the influx of children which they don't have room for.

and just to add to that i have several children who have not been allocated any school, including one who is nearly five and due to go in to year one :o

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I knew I was lucky but didn't realise how much we will have 4 TA's suporting 2 classes of 30 in September.

 

This year, so still a three term entry so therefore we now have 60 children and 1 of them isn't toilet trained, there is no SEN or real medical reason Mum just didn't get round to it...we have 2 TA's supporting both classes in a unit with freeflow access to the outside area and one other shared area so basically we have 1 adult at all times in an area, so when he needs changing either myself or my TA changes him and yes we do have to stop whatever we are doing to change him. It can happen as often as 5 times a day or on some days not at all! There are also several occaisions that involve a trip to the outside bin as he soils himself too.

 

I think it will be increasingly difficult in year 1 staff with smaller ratios and facilities.

 

S

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