Guest Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 This may have been covered before, but I was chatting to my Y1 colleague and she is having trouble with the Profile scores I sent up to her. We use software called Target Tracker and it's great except that it converts profile points to NC levels and makes predictions for Y1, Y2 etc. and I really have an issue with this. It's being used like an old baseline. The problem is that some of my children are predicted things like 2c in Y1 and they won't achieve that. I keep pushing for a baseline to be set at the start of Y1 against NC levels, which would be far more accurate. Anyone else facing similar issues? It's causing a lot of stress right now! heyjude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 We have to predict KS1 SATs results in reading, writing and maths, but I don't use the profile scores - I go on overall knowledge of the child and their attitude and rate of progress etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_3307 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Perhaps we all need divination classes a la HArry potter. Then we could really give a prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_73 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 nice one Catma.yes heyjude we have this night mare too. In a long fought for compromise we are continuing witht eh profile in eyar one at least for the first term, so children will be assessed against them if they have not achived (we have lost of 4s and 5s in reading for example this year).They will then move on the assessing against NC levels later in the year and introuduce p levels when necessary by easter. the profile was never intended to be used to make predictions but sadly in the climate we have, they are now expected to be by lots of people. Im sure once there has been a comlete cohort of children going through profile and KS1 SATs, then the powers that be will give us what they see as suitable predictions (not that Im cynical or anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_1208 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 The Standards site says that they should not be used as a comparison until further research has taken place. here Our assessment co-ord loves to make comparisons, and is forever making tables!! He has analysed our own school's data from this year's Y2 SATS and their profile scores, he has worked out how many points equates to which level and used this to predict results of future cohorts. I have better things to do in my spare time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_79 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 uum, would have thought you needed more than one years results to do that with??? Especially as the first year was treated as a pilot by lots of LEAs and not subjected to the moderation that has taken place since? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_1208 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I totally agree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Ditto, ditto, ditto Pity government isn't run by Reception Class teachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Thanks everyone. I've copied the stuff off the Standards Site and emailed it to my Head so he can see I'm not making it all up! Are there any guidelines anywhere about using FSCurriculum in Y1? Thanks again. Now to enjoy a break!!! heyjude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 "Continuing the learning journey: training package" QCA/05/1590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Magenta - your assessment coordinator sounds just like mine!!! - forever trying to create 'business type' documents that look like they belong on the shelf of a large corporation!!! They then go on to explain about what the data means which many teachers said they knew anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I read somewhere that NFER study re: prediction from FSP to KS1 which said it was only 36% accurate. So my advise would be don't. Children are not that predictable! Lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Hi Smiley I have been looking on the qca website for Continuing the learning journey: training package" QCA/05/1590 Can you help? We don't seem to have a copy at school. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 (edited) It used to be free ! Well... it will be for the DVD. http://orderline.qca.org.uk/bookstore.asp?...ctID=1858387116 The guide you can download free in http://orderline.qca.org.uk/bookstore.asp?...ctID=1845819292 Edited October 8, 2005 by SmileyPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_73 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 is the learning jouney stuff any good? Ive been asked (told ) to deliver INSET using it but just havent had time to look at it. Anyone used it for this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 OH ! I have made a mistake! The link I sent was for "Seeing steps in children's learning: DVD and practitioners guide". This is more for the FS it self. I have also been looking around to find the old link I had for the "Continuing the learning journey: training package" (QCA/05/1590), yet I can't find it . This is the only thing I find http://www.qca.org.uk/6795_14005.html and I don't understand what "Tbc"stands for under "Price". I don't know if it is temporary out of stock or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Okay... I found it http://www.qca.org.uk/250_14275.html. It seems it is not available to teachers anymore, but only through the headteachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2732 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hey, Smiley, A serendipitous mistake then!!! I have just ordered it, thanks to your mistake, and very pleased I am, too. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 is the learning jouney stuff any good? Ive been asked (told ) to deliver INSET using it but just havent had time to look at it. Anyone used it for this yet? 39862[/snapback] Yes, it's brilliant - particularly for showing non FS people what we're all about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 OH ! I have made a mistake! The link I sent was for "Seeing steps in children's learning: DVD and practitioners guide". This is more for the FS it self. I have also been looking around to find the old link I had for the "Continuing the learning journey: training package" (QCA/05/1590), yet I can't find it . This is the only thing I find http://www.qca.org.uk/6795_14005.html and I don't understand what "Tbc"stands for under "Price". I don't know if it is temporary out of stock or what. 39912[/snapback] I'm not sure that the practitioners' guide is available in hard copy (it certainly wasn't in July) unless you download it yourself. PS. The tbc probably means "to be confirmed"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I had received the hardcopy and DVD of Learning Journey, but not that of Seeing Steps (only the DVD). It seems they now have a paperback copy for this last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_79 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 The DVD and booklet " seeing steps in childrens learning" complement one another. The booklet was out of print for a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 scarily my Assessment co-ordinator has just returned from a twilight where she was told that level 9 writing in FSP equates to a child preforming at level 2C/ 2B!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Thanks Susan - will order a copy (save my printer ink!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_79 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 thats right sarah, lots of conversations about that somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Just had a writing moderating meeting with the primary school next door to ours. They are having the same issues about the direct transfer of FSP points into NC levels electronically. It throws up major problems for the Y1 teacher who struggles to get value added with many children because of it. We talked at length about devising some sort of assessment for reading, writing and maths for the end of Reception against NC levels which can then be used as a basis for tracking progress through KS1. We would use the FSP as a starting point for our assessments. This would then be an accurate measure of progress. Our head still needs convincing. He thinks standards and expectations will drop! Has anyone else done anything similar at the end of YR? This debate is doing my head in and we get quite heated at school about it!!!!! Heyjude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_2776 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 This is probably not what you are looking for, but maybe it can help somehow. Green_SS__ELG_and_NC_Y1.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Thanks for that. I had a copy already but it was good to look at it again. What I really could do with though is some NC Level equivalents in terms of Level 1a / 1b/ 1c Levels 2a / 2b / 2c etc. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyMouse_79 Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Sorry its so bad thats its keeping you awake at night! I'm sure it wasnt devised to all be so complicated? If they are revising BTTM and FS, do you think we will get some profile amendments too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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