To Crb Or Not To Crb

[AnonyMouse_3139]

This is from the newsletter our accountant send out.

 

Looking forward, in early December 2012, the work of the CRB and of the ISA will be merged into a single, new body – to be called the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS).

A new online Update Service will also be introduced from early 2013, which will allow individuals (if they choose to subscribe to it and pay a small fee) to apply for a criminal record check once and then, if they need a similar sort of check again, to reuse their existing certificate, with their employing organisation checking online to see if it is still up-to-date.

Edited October 4, 2012 by Rea

[Guest]

Would anyone be able to put on a copy of a health report for me to down load. My playgroup doesn't have one and as far as I know the staff have never filled one in (although we have all been here for donkeys years). :huh:

[AnonyMouse_12805]

Hello Bizzy, Could you explain a little , more what you mean by a health report?

Do you mean a declaration by staff?

 

Rea, is that information correct? Assume it is- I wonder if they will get it right this time. haven't had any news myself form anyone on this though.

[AnonyMouse_3139]

It came from here Lynned

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/crime/disclosure-and-barring/leaflet-england-wales?view=Binary

[AnonyMouse_3735]

Would anyone be able to put on a copy of a health report for me to down load. My playgroup doesn't have one and as far as I know the staff have never filled one in (although we have all been here for donkeys years). :huh:

 

welcome to the forum.. have a look in the resource library.. there may be one or two there

[AnonyMouse_3139]

The email I mistakenly sent to everyone, has bought 2 responses from people telling me I've included them in my email, 2 responses agreeing that information regarding the renewing of CRBs is impossible to find and looking forward to hearing the DfEs response and 2 people others, one saying she hasn't got the terms and conditions the other telling me the CRB numbers of her staff.

I have of course answered all messages as appropriate.

A childminder knocked on playgroups door looking for me this morning to tell me I'd included her in the email, the playleader told her I was aware of it. The CM was happy I was asking questions because they had recently given her miss-information which led to her losing 2 prospective mindee's.

Just had another one who says I've sent the email by mistake, I've asked her if she has any information on when the CRBs have to renewed by.

You never know, maybe someone does know

Edited October 5, 2012 by Rea

[AnonyMouse_11962]

Thanks for that link, Rea, I would love to know what 'a small fee' means. A fiver? 50 pence?

[AnonyMouse_14766]

Thanks a lot Rea. If it wasn't for this forum I wouldn't know a lot of things until much later than I should. Our LEA is very slow to let us know essential info. We couldn't afford for our little pre-school to re-CRB all the 6 staff should our LEA insist on it. I know they think of it as good practice, which it is if you can afford it, otherwise I have to trust and closely supervise my staff of many years, and they me!

[AnonyMouse_12805]

thanks Rea- very useful.

Now anju- a small fee? Could £5 or 50p or even £50????? here we go again!

 

Rea what a shame you mistakenly hit reply to all with your email- how odd that no one else can find that information either!

If nothing else you are certainly stirring up a small hornets nest.

[AnonyMouse_3139]

Anju, we'll be clobbered you watch!

 

Sharky, Birmingham lets us know certain things but not others. When I searched the forum for people from Birmingham there were 41 and I am the only only one who posts regularly, they dont even tell us the forum exists. I get most, if not all my information from here.

 

Lynne, I've emailed the EY dept explaining I sent to it everyone, easy mistake and not of my making I might add. I'm pretty sure all those addresses shouldn't have been open. Isn't there a way of avoiding that? I hope the EY dept. learn from their mistakes!

Edited October 5, 2012 by Rea

[AnonyMouse_13453]

I'm pretty sure it contravenes the data protection act. My county have been known to do it too

[AnonyMouse_3139]

So, I'm of the hook, should anyone wish to put me there

Edited October 6, 2012 by Rea

[AnonyMouse_19762]

So, I'm of the hook, should anyone wish to put me there

 

If anyone puts you there just shout and we will rescue you! :1b

 

Always surprise me too when email addresses are there for all to see - always happens with emails from my LA :blink:

[AnonyMouse_3735]

I complained about my email being sent out to all the others on the list when the LA sent out emails.. said I did not want all and sundry to be able to email me would they stop doing so...

 

I believe if they use the bcc field in emails it stops this happening...so not rocket science... and hence not your fault if you 'accidentally' replied to all on the list.

[Guest]

I wonder if LA staff don't get trained on how to use bcc because my authority do it all the time too!

[AnonyMouse_3139]

Accidents will happen Inge... Bet they learn their lesson from this...either that or an advisor will be at the door every week!

Edited October 6, 2012 by Rea

[AnonyMouse_3139]

• My question...
  
• Have the DfE just regulated that every childcare setting must renew its staffs CRB every 3 years?
  
  • 
     
     
    Department for Education We have made no recent change to the regulations covering CRB checks on childcare settings. There is no legal requirement to undertake repeat CRB checks at any given point, although there is an ongoing duty for providers to ensure the suitability of persons caring for children.
    12 minutes ago · 1
    

One more point of proof for the EY dept. to get their teeth into.

Edited October 8, 2012 by Rea

[AnonyMouse_19762]

Excellent! :1b

[AnonyMouse_3139]

Sure is sunnyday. Just had an email in response to the one that went to all Birmingham, she told me it was nothing to do with them!! I have reminded her that it is.

[AnonyMouse_19762]

Sure is sunnyday. Just had an email in response to the one that went to all Birmingham, she told me it was nothing to do with them!! I have reminded her that it is.

 

:blink: Well honestly

 

Good for you for pursuing this Rea........

[AnonyMouse_13453]

Ha, you go and get em!!

[AnonyMouse_26513]

Just one thing to highlight here - just check what is written in your insurance policy. I know that ours states that we will recheck every 3 years in order that insurances are valid - I'm sure that you will be able to negotiate something with insurance underwriters about signed, written statements. Just be careful and read the small print because it could well be a compulsory requirement that might negate cover if not undertaken.

Edited October 13, 2012 by gatewaynurseries

[AnonyMouse_13453]

Good point, must check. Thanks

[AnonyMouse_3139]

Just one thing to highlight here - just check what is written in your insurance policy. I know that ours states that we will recheck every 3 years in order that insurances are valid - I'm sure that you will be able to negotiate something with insurance underwriters about signed, written statements. Just be careful and read the small print because it could well be a compulsory requirement that might negate cover if not undertaken.

 

Thanks for that, I'll check on Monday :1b

[AnonyMouse_3139]

Another reply from the DfE...I dont think I should wait any longer for a reply to my email from the council, I'll be phoning them again tomorrow :rolleyes:

 

Dear Ms Green

 

Thank you for your email about the renewal of CRB checks.

 

There are no regulations that require childcare providers to renew CRB checks every three years. The DfE has not consulted on this issue and so it is difficult to understand what regulations and consultation Birmingham City Early Years Department is referring to. I can only suggest that you ask the council to show you a copy of the “regulation from the DfE”. I would be happy for you to copy me into that request, so that I can then see the council’s reply.

 

Paul Oates

Early Years Foundation Stage (EYFS) Team

Foundation Years: Sure Start and Quality

Department for Education

www.education.gov.uk

 

Tel: 0207 783 8146

[AnonyMouse_13453]

Just one thing to highlight here - just check what is written in your insurance policy. I know that ours states that we will recheck every 3 years in order that insurances are valid - I'm sure that you will be able to negotiate something with insurance underwriters about signed, written statements. Just be careful and read the small print because it could well be a compulsory requirement that might negate cover if not undertaken.

 

What insurance company are you using? Ours is through PSLA

[AnonyMouse_3139]

So is our's Cait, I dont recall reading anything to suggest that was a requirement but I'll check as soon as I can get into playgroup.

[AnonyMouse_12805]

Ours is PSLA as well and as best I can remember it states something along the lines of us not breaking the terms of our registration.

I dont ever recall seeing anything about CRB's-

[AnonyMouse_3735]

Another reply from the DfE...I dont think I should wait any longer for a reply to my email from the council, I'll be phoning them again tomorrow :rolleyes:

 

Dear Ms Green

 

Thank you for your email about the renewal of CRB checks.

 

There are no regulations that require childcare providers to renew CRB checks every three years. The DfE has not consulted on this issue and so it is difficult to understand what regulations and consultation Birmingham City Early Years Department is referring to. I can only suggest that you ask the council to show you a copy of the “regulation from the DfE”. I would be happy for you to copy me into that request, so that I can then see the council’s reply.

 

Paul Oates

Early Years Foundation Stage (EYFS) Team

Foundation Years: Sure Start and Quality

Department for Education

www.education.gov.uk

 

Tel: 0207 783 8146

 

 

maybe a repeat email with the request and copied to Paul Oates as he has suggested, they will then see his name on the copied to list and he will get replies direct as well if any... if no reply a call asking them and requesting a reply to the email ... may stir up a few things if it is noted that someone from DfE is copied in and showing an interest in this. not that you want to cause trouble of course.. just getting things clarified ..

[AnonyMouse_3139]

Thanks Inge, clarification was all I ever wanted.

I've emailed the council, Paul and 2 other settings who have been following this with me. Hopefully we'll hear something positive, but I have a feeling Paul isnt too happy with this.

Is it wrong that that makes me smile? :rolleyes:

Also got our PLA AGM on Wednesday, so I can ask some questions there too, our EY advisors often attend. I've printed all the replies so far just so I know what I'm talking about should anyone ask.

 

Havent had a good scrap for ages!!

Edited October 15, 2012 by Rea