AnonyMouse_2157 Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Before I begin the task of putting together a table/assessment tracker for the new DM's (Early Years Outcomes) I wondered if anyone has already done this and if you wouldn't mind sharing? If not I will crack on and upload here when finished. I am trying to get something we can use for our baseline in Nursery and had been watching a post which that someone else had put on about baselining in Nursery but there did not seem to be any replies. It would be good to know what systems people are using. I feel I am struggling to address the issue of baselines as I seem to be caught up comforting criers at the moment (that's the children not the staff! - although I feel I could cry with the weight the pressing need to assess looming everyday!) Is anyone willing to share what/how you are going about this in terms of recording?
Guest Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 I am caught up in toileting issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am continuing to use the developmental matters statements to try and gauge roughly where the children are at. I am not however worrying too much about this. You need to get to know the children before you can assess so I am getting to know them. . . . . . . . and our toilets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AnonyMouse_11396 Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Wow, I'm going to speak too soon now, but we haven't had any toileting issues as yet with this current new intake, two crying a little when they arrive but settling after a very short time, and alas one that has fallen asleep twice, but that's a different post bless him. We observe this whole half-term and then begin to look at our sheets at the beginning of next term.
Guest Biker Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 We too are spending lots of time supporting toileting and settling. Getting to know the new children and supporting them to feel comfortable before which they can not even begin to show us their true selves! I recently attended a course where it was suggested that our true initial baseline is in the information parents can give us. I know lots of you will say children behave differently in the setting to how they are at home but perhaps that is the point! Does anyone seek this kind of information from parents and if so how? Sorry Apple I didnt answer your query just presented another slant on things! Biker
Guest Biker Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) Oops sorry I seen to have posted the same thing twice!! Edited September 28, 2013 by Biker
AnonyMouse_3307 Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Given that you can use anything you like as they are all non statutory why not stay with dev matters?? 1
AnonyMouse_2157 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Posted September 28, 2013 thank you for your replies I supposed I was getting a bit jittery in case the big o descend! I will have a go at putting the outcomes onto a sheet and will put in resources - there are not many changes so shouldn't take too long. You have made an interesting point Biker regarding parents and using the information they may provide. I wonder if anyone too uses this info?
AnonyMouse_42783 Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 I had Ofsted in on Tuesday and she did ask if I had a copy of the Early Years Outcomes, I said I had seen it but not yet got a copy. She said I should have one, at which I pointed out that if its non-statutory and the same outcomes as in Development matterswhy did I have to have one?! She said Ofsted will be working with it, but yes it is non-statutory!!
AnonyMouse_3307 Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 It is non statutory but it will be used by Inspectors to guide their evaluation of how children are doing. However they cannot tell you how to keep you records or what to use. Cx 1
Guest Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 I've given the staff a copy each and we are looking at it when planning but sticking with Dms as it's just so much more detailed - but if a nuisance really having another document to consider! But heyho it's all about the impact on the children so my thinking is we will look at whatever is produced and use it all to suit us and the children ?
Guest Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Stupid question alert!!!! . .. .Early Years Outcomes ??? are these the same as the development matters age bands/ELG's. (Hangs head in shame fo not knowing!!!)
AnonyMouse_9650 Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 The thread "New condensed development matters" discusses this and Helen has kindly provided a "differences" summary if that helps. I would put a link to it if I new how :huh: but a forum search should locate it.
AnonyMouse_46692 Posted October 9, 2013 Posted October 9, 2013 we have been told by our LA (hampshire) that we should use this document now I'm so depressed about it all!
AnonyMouse_9650 Posted October 9, 2013 Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) Perhaps you should point out to your LA that their role has been re-defined (and unless they make it a condition of your receiving early education funding at your setting - which could be classed as an unreasonable demand) suggest that they v. politely get off telling you what non-statutory guidance you should be using! Maybe a bit of communication and language and literacy tasking could be passed their way - e.g., rearrange the following to make an appropriate comment "stuffed" "get" Getting a bit bolsy in my old age I'm afraid and turning in a v. grumpy old woman Edited October 9, 2013 by SueJ 2
AnonyMouse_33773 Posted October 9, 2013 Posted October 9, 2013 Not to worry Berryred - it's the same!
Guest Posted October 9, 2013 Posted October 9, 2013 we have also been told this too we are overdue an inspection they are preparing us by saying we must use this they will expect us to use it. However our advisor didn't much like our tracking which is DM based but we could buy theirs which is also DM based and has not been changed to EYO as yet me thinks they have a lot of these to off load. confused from Halifax
Guest Posted October 9, 2013 Posted October 9, 2013 Ridiculous! You should be trusted as professionals to use what suits you best! It shouldn't be dictated ?
AnonyMouse_11396 Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 I would be mindful of any suggestions, but remember DMs or EYO are not statutory, if you can display and show whatever tools you use are beneficial to the whole child's progress then this in my opinion is whats really important. Any shuffling or changes of documents from the powers that be, can actually be a useful way to evaluate your existing practice. 1
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